: Why did you have to leave England ?
Genesis P-Orridge :
I was interviewed by Brian Ginsen that I met in is apartment
three or four years ago. They (?) They thought I was a treathen, so
I was (called ) a threathen. Its the old story, the same thing
happens to William (Burroughs) with Naked lunch, its
a lifestyle thing. Sometimes its not so much the work we do, its
what you represent to stupid people because inculted people dont
believe you represent the same thing. So its always a confusion.
I think I represent something to those people who appreciate what I
do, I represent certain things to them which is relevant to their relives.
But to some official, in a government office, they almost have a little
computering goals : hes pro homosexual, pro magic, pro literatury,
hes anti war, hes anti
they can go trough this belief,
and they go to an equal, total : very bad. Its almost like that.
You know : chek, check, check. They look at each other and they go :
wa have to do get this guy. Who can he be still around
? And they go to who does he know ? And they go to
William Burroughs. Oh, oh. Brian Gysin, etc. And they go to oh,
oh, very, very bad : pro drugs, oh, oh. I thing thats what
happens. I thing someone very stupid just go trough these lists and
who should we
and it was before an election. We were
going to have an election and there were no wars to distract anybody,
and they couldnt argue about the communists anymore, because at
this time they were trying to be nice, so they look for an ennemy .
Always. Every government. Everyone. Just it was my turn, you know, thas
all. I take this as a compliment. The only (?) thing that I as to do
was : thank you for putting me in the same place with fantastic
people. For me its a great accomplishment. I deserve the compliment,
but its a great compliment.
And you were nerver. I
just decided that I was never going to go back. Because police told
my attorney, my lawyer : we canno't garanty is safety, so that
he can stay alive. And my answer was : no one threatened me, they
did and its obvious what they think. In other words : dont
come back, we dont want you right now. OK. Cause you look at history
you see that some people co back and they try to fight in the court.
You cant do it, you have to wait. You have to be very patient.
Burroughs as have to live the american way, brian have to leave, sometimes
thats what you have to do. And its ok. Because you have
a all new life to have because you are away. It would be to boring and
to obious to go and (?) I dont want to represent evil to England.
Im not English anymore. So you just travel, and you meet new people,
and wait and the great irony is of course is always they call you back
one day. If you wait long enough they always ask you to come back, because
they miss the excitement. I think so,
I think its really stupid stuff that happens, not very sophisticated
at all. Its got nothing to do with what I actually doing or not
doing at that moment. Estate its like a problem they have, a (?
Computive) problem they have. Then suddenly, a year ago they say : would
you please come back to the all festival Hall (??) and the government
pay to have me in charge of the Hall of evening, the most prestigious
place in London, own by the Queen and the government, with Quincy Crip,
he will also met me, its insane (?) It was inept but I knew it
would happen, something like that would happen, not exactly but something
like that would happen. So of course we said : yes, of course. That
spit the Hall evening was, they gave us the weird book were the royal
family sit. (Silence). And in England thats very significant,
just one box, just bigger than this table, which is only for the Queen
and the royal family sitting to watch Opera, classical music, and this
all building was paid for so that she could see classical music from
this box, and THATS was they gave us for a all day and they look
David and say and you could have your family in the Royal box.
So we put a smoke machine in the royal box (rires) like everyday (vérifier)
and do a ricshow in the royal box, we covered it with soak and everything,
my friend were in the royal box , with this smoke pulsing and stoke,
its fantastic. So whos whos I dont really know,
thats the way it will work, so
They never, they never confront
you face to face. To meditate, you know. In all the politic, in all
the history of England, its all done behind your back, they stab
you in the back. Theyve done it to every country in the world,
theyre brilliant at it. And of course they never will (say) were
sorry about that LITTLE mistake. But they still have all the photographs.
They nerver gave me the films and photographs. So ultimately Larry I
ask him about it he answer they wanted the archives. He said, really.
Undernead everything else, they wanted the archives. They wanted to
try and understand what all of us is doing. Because they could never
understand. Because the sickness and year is going
its not rational. Its about exatasis, its about cutting
things up, you know, they have no idea, they dont do that. May
be they have some poor guy who just sit and (watch) all those videos,
hundreds of hours of videos, trying to understand why its a treat.
Very bizarre. What a great catalogue if you could get all of it. End
to end. So thats why I think : great. You know, I had a fabulous
adventure, its better, better than everything, cause I really
learn to not belong anywhere, to not belong to anything. Just to be
free and travel and get rid to chain. Its good. Maybe one day
well get the photos. They probably lost them, theyd be in a bag
in a weird house or anywhere. In a hundred years, someone will open
the bag and jez, Waou. Holy day, thats the kind of stuff
they had. So its a time box.
The same happens to Philip Fichot.
Yes, thats right. It seems to be a rite of passage. I just feel
part of a small group of special little group of people. Quincy Crisp
was fantastic to me too. I feel gratitude to it. I feel really gratitude
to met the world of Gysin and all (?) who meant to me. Like a wishless
kid, I would like you could in your life, so you could like it I nerver
met Warrol, but I think I would have been disaponted, and thats
I think he was probably more interesting for his image and
the theories than how he really was. Warrol I think is better for image
and theories than ask him.
was an addict ?
I did really just want money. Who knows ? He did probably
just wanted money. But his influence is still very impressive. Someone
you just have to feel the influence. And Eric Chaiman(???), was incredible.
Rapid Eye... Youre only one number.
Theres 3 numbers.
it you ?
its a good friend of mine. Simon Dwayne. And I belive theres
supposed to have a new Rapid Eye, he died, and they try, theres
supposed to be a new Rapid Eye with all is personal writting. He was
a very good writtezr and its a shame he never really wrote.